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EGM motions and documents
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robscanlon
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Re: EGM motions and documents
HI Brian,
I am so looking forward to this being behind us too.
I just wish to reply to "And we are back here again….like I said I have no problem with affiliation BUT the committee is putting the cart before the horse. CI NEEDS to get its house in order regarding recreational sea kayaking. There needs to be clear and concise guidelines and by extension clear parameters regarding their insurance cover."
I have dealt with CI about the symposium last year. I felt like I was dealing with people who had an idea how ISKA worked.
How could they have good knowledge of ISKA's needs if we didn't have our feet under the table, pushing for the changes that are needed?
Dave Walsh's comparison of how Mountaineering Ireland can insure members for " peer" trips made for interesting reading. Of course we will go to them, with the weight of our membership, and push for something similar. But we can only do this on the inside. Indeed, Dave Walsh said a few days ago about Kipper, operations manager at CI "I didn't know that Kipper is about the place. All may not quite be lost over there …"
We can get motions for insurance of peer groups adopted at the CI AGM if we have the membership behind us and the name of ISKA, as an affiliated club/ association leading with this.
I am so looking forward to this being behind us too.
I just wish to reply to "And we are back here again….like I said I have no problem with affiliation BUT the committee is putting the cart before the horse. CI NEEDS to get its house in order regarding recreational sea kayaking. There needs to be clear and concise guidelines and by extension clear parameters regarding their insurance cover."
I have dealt with CI about the symposium last year. I felt like I was dealing with people who had an idea how ISKA worked.
How could they have good knowledge of ISKA's needs if we didn't have our feet under the table, pushing for the changes that are needed?
Dave Walsh's comparison of how Mountaineering Ireland can insure members for " peer" trips made for interesting reading. Of course we will go to them, with the weight of our membership, and push for something similar. But we can only do this on the inside. Indeed, Dave Walsh said a few days ago about Kipper, operations manager at CI "I didn't know that Kipper is about the place. All may not quite be lost over there …"
We can get motions for insurance of peer groups adopted at the CI AGM if we have the membership behind us and the name of ISKA, as an affiliated club/ association leading with this.
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brianmacmahon
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- Joined: Sat Oct 26, 2013 9:37 am
Re: EGM motions and documents
Hi Rob,
Having cover for peer groups would be fantastic.
However my concern is that once we fold our tent and come in under CI’s umbrella we lose any leverage to affect change. There would be no onus on CI to listen to our concerns if we are already affiliated and signed up members.
Last years symposium was a heads up regarding those concerns. Despite the huge amount of work yourself and Fiona put in to get cover from CI, the weather didn’t play ball.
Restrictions imposed under the guise of insurance cover limits our flexibility. Mandatory ratios, wind strength caps, minimum leader certification etc etc…
No plan survives contact with the enemy - that being the Irish weather.
We had many meeting with CI under Chris’s tenure. All of them were hugely positive. So positive in fact that in 2018 we affiliated on the back of commitments made. Once we affiliated however …….crickets.
It’s my understanding that we already have our feet under the CI table. Isn’t Sue an ISKA committee member already sitting at the table. If we can’t get the commitments we need now what makes you think they’ll be forthcoming once we affiliate ??
My concerns remain.
The onus is on CI ……. Provide clear and concise guidelines and conditions of insurance cover for recreational sea kayakers and I would happily come in under their umbrella.
Thanks Rob.
Brian
Having cover for peer groups would be fantastic.
However my concern is that once we fold our tent and come in under CI’s umbrella we lose any leverage to affect change. There would be no onus on CI to listen to our concerns if we are already affiliated and signed up members.
Last years symposium was a heads up regarding those concerns. Despite the huge amount of work yourself and Fiona put in to get cover from CI, the weather didn’t play ball.
Restrictions imposed under the guise of insurance cover limits our flexibility. Mandatory ratios, wind strength caps, minimum leader certification etc etc…
No plan survives contact with the enemy - that being the Irish weather.
We had many meeting with CI under Chris’s tenure. All of them were hugely positive. So positive in fact that in 2018 we affiliated on the back of commitments made. Once we affiliated however …….crickets.
It’s my understanding that we already have our feet under the CI table. Isn’t Sue an ISKA committee member already sitting at the table. If we can’t get the commitments we need now what makes you think they’ll be forthcoming once we affiliate ??
My concerns remain.
The onus is on CI ……. Provide clear and concise guidelines and conditions of insurance cover for recreational sea kayakers and I would happily come in under their umbrella.
Thanks Rob.
Brian